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1,081,994 views • Mar 14, 2025 • The Ezra Klein Show
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It’s hard to understand the economic logic of President Trump’s tariffs. In our last episode, we tried, but with limited success. And that might be because the logic here isn’t entirely economic at all.
So we wanted to spend an episode looking at Trump’s economic policies through a wider lens.
Gillian Tett is a columnist at The Financial Times and a member of its editorial board. She’s also a trained anthropologist with a Ph.D. And she brings both perspectives into this conversation — exploring Trump’s policies as economics, as well as power politics, patronage and cultural messaging — which I think makes the whole thing make a bit more sense.
Watch more on @EzraKleinShow
0:00 Intro
2:06 The hegemonic power mindset
4:14 Mar-a-Lago Accord
21:09 Cultural power
25:11 Tariff strategy
27:44 Market pain
33:18 Global reaction
45:58 Bond markets
54:20 Detox period / John Maynard Keynes
58:00 Book recs
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakl…...more
Is Trump ‘Detoxing’ the Economy or Poisoning It? | The Ezra Klein Show
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Mar 142025
It’s hard to understand the economic logic of President Trump’s tariffs. In our last episode, we tried, but with limited success. And that might be because the logic here isn’t entirely economic at all.
So we wanted to spend an episode looking at Trump’s economic policies through a wider lens.
Gillian Tett is a columnist at The Financial Times and a member of its editorial board. She’s also a trained anthropologist with a Ph.D. And she brings both perspectives into this conversation — exploring Trump’s policies as economics, as well as power politics, patronage and cultural messaging — which I think makes the whole thing make a bit more sense.
Watch more on @EzraKleinShow
0:00 Intro
2:06 The hegemonic power mindset
4:14 Mar-a-Lago Accord
21:09 Cultural power
25:11 Tariff strategy
27:44 Market pain
33:18 Global reaction
45:58 Bond markets
54:20 Detox period / John Maynard Keynes
58:00 Book recs
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-....
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